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Post by lowlights on Oct 26, 2008 0:57:23 GMT 8
Brave the crowd and took some shot #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6 C&C always welcome A HAPPY DEEPAVALI to all Indian friends who is looking at this thread
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Post by Cecil Chan on Oct 26, 2008 1:48:14 GMT 8
#1, 4 and 6 - great details, surprise no blurring of the crowds for the 1st shot. Last shot I like the best.
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Post by excelglsi on Oct 26, 2008 6:11:10 GMT 8
mmm... the photos abit soft...like canon... haha.. ;D
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Post by kernik on Oct 26, 2008 8:51:00 GMT 8
Lst shot got glow!
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Post by lowlights on Oct 26, 2008 13:07:19 GMT 8
#1, 4 and 6 - great details, surprise no blurring of the crowds for the 1st shot. Last shot I like the best. Thanks Chief The first shot was taken standing in the middle of the road when all cars was stopped by the traffic light. No blurring of crowds because shutter was 1/125, ISO 160..Full open I liked the last shot too..after that shot, I pack and headed home
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Post by lowlights on Oct 26, 2008 13:11:45 GMT 8
mmm... the photos abit soft...like canon... haha.. ;D Soft like Canon..interesting..what make you think I was not using Canon. ;D Hahaha..interesting that you should see it that way..I expected more from a trained eye like yours..anyway Beside being abit soft do you see any characteristic in the pictures
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Post by lowlights on Oct 26, 2008 13:15:05 GMT 8
You like ;D Full open..shutter 1/60..only minor cropping The assistance was looking at me, she must be wondering what this Chinese bugger doing. After taking the shot, I saw it too her..she like it too...
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Post by nagamisan on Oct 26, 2008 15:29:06 GMT 8
i lurvee the last shot. keep it up
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Post by marcus on Oct 26, 2008 16:31:36 GMT 8
mmm... the photos abit soft...like canon... haha.. ;D Soft like Canon..interesting..what make you think I was not using Canon. ;D Hahaha..interesting that you should see it that way..I expected more from a trained eye like yours..anyway Beside being abit soft do you see any characteristic in the pictures Wow!! " Soft like Canon..interesting..what make you think I was not using Canon. ;D " Canon f0.95 arh ?? ke ke ke
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Post by bigu2fan on Oct 26, 2008 20:09:53 GMT 8
No 2 3 4 5 colours look pretty film like to me, like the shots I get from Fujifilm. No 1 and No 6 look more digital.
Since I know which lens and aperture setting you use, not fair to comment:) So I'll just like to say this: SHOW OFF lol. The circular bokeh is to die for.
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Post by lowlights on Oct 26, 2008 20:17:58 GMT 8
Soft like Canon..interesting..what make you think I was not using Canon. ;D Hahaha..interesting that you should see it that way..I expected more from a trained eye like yours..anyway Beside being abit soft do you see any characteristic in the pictures Wow!! " Soft like Canon..interesting..what make you think I was not using Canon. ;D " Canon f0.95 arh ?? ke ke ke Canon 0.95 thinking..maybe will get but most likely will not get So do you like any of the pictures or not
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Post by lowlights on Oct 26, 2008 20:18:49 GMT 8
No 2 3 4 5 colours look pretty film like to me, like the shots I get from Fujifilm. No 1 and No 6 look more digital. Since I know which lens and aperture setting you use, not fair to comment:) So I'll just like to say this: SHOW OFF lol. The circular bokeh is to die for. Comment lah..that way I know what to look out for or what to not look out for.
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Post by lowlights on Oct 26, 2008 20:19:04 GMT 8
i lurvee the last shot. keep it up Thanks
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Post by aloyyolaaloy on Oct 26, 2008 20:27:10 GMT 8
nice shots
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Post by excelglsi on Oct 26, 2008 20:58:04 GMT 8
I saw... the power of M8 50f1...
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Post by marcus on Oct 26, 2008 21:05:39 GMT 8
Wow!! " Soft like Canon..interesting..what make you think I was not using Canon. ;D " Canon f0.95 arh ?? ke ke ke Canon 0.95 thinking..maybe will get but most likely will not get So do you like any of the pictures or not arh.. if you ask me.. The 3rd picture hm... in a crowded streets the guy far away looking at you. I feel some people may like it but if it is a street candid shoot approach the action for that man may have be distracted by the photographer unless he is pointing his middle finger at the photographer den it tells a story. I find picture 4 nice the man looking to the left the woman to the right, it show a busy street with people looking for directions or something. Thats very nice. I would prefer a landscape cropped version because of the a... elephant thing on top with the tag... hm... dunno wats tat call. ;D Frankly speaking I like this series and I have learn and benefited a lot. Its more den meets the eye! Your f1.0 is indeed poisonousness in street photography. The lens actually eliminated other things keeping the main subject in focus. Just look at the number of heads eliminated on a busy streets. Thats not what other lens can do! wow talking about bring the life of streets photography...
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Post by bigu2fan on Oct 26, 2008 21:06:45 GMT 8
ok ok but my analysis is still unpolished. I'm a work in progress ;D. The white circles denote figure groups. The yellow circle denotes the brightest spot in the pictures. In this pic the subjects are in the brighter parts of the pics and framed by the shadows. So compositionally the lighting is framed well within the picture. The figure groups however is spread throughout the pic. The people in the pic, what they do, what they appear to be doing, is messy. I cannot make much out of it. The shape of the figure groups do not seem to indicate a specific purpose, so I assume it is random. The light is focused near the main subject ie Indian man looking straight up. The bananas seem to be leading towards the Indian man too. The figure groups surroung the Indian man does not seem to have any clear pattern or purpose The brightest spot is clearly the yellow spot above the couple. The main subject seems to be the light and the figure groups seem to form borders around the light. The brightest spot is the one just below the girl. I like the shape formed of the girl and the trinkets. The hands behind her seem to be accidental and a bit of a distraction.
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Post by excelglsi on Oct 26, 2008 21:18:56 GMT 8
Wow... Never tot of all the thins u say... ok tat does it tomorrow going to get myself a 50 f1.2... hehe
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Post by lowlights on Oct 26, 2008 21:50:49 GMT 8
Thanks Marcus.. it means alot to hear option from the rest of you.. Something we (or at least I do) get lost in our own expectation of things we want to see and forget about some of the fundamentals..
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Post by lowlights on Oct 26, 2008 21:58:19 GMT 8
Ivan, Interesting to understand what you have been trying to practice. That's alot that you put out there. I would never have read it the way you pointed out..can't wait to fully understand it from you when you have Master the concept I will not comment on what my personal thinking are
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Post by lowlights on Oct 26, 2008 21:59:32 GMT 8
Wow... Never tot of all the thins u say... ok tat does it tomorrow going to get myself a 50 f1.2... hehe Enjoy !
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Post by excelglsi on Oct 26, 2008 22:00:12 GMT 8
Koe the rules than break the rules... Or else everyone photos will be the same...hehe
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Post by lowlights on Oct 26, 2008 22:02:06 GMT 8
Koe the rules than break the rules... Or else everyone photos will be the same...hehe Hahaha..agreed but that provided we know what to break
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Post by bigu2fan on Oct 27, 2008 9:06:11 GMT 8
Like I said, still a work in progress ;D Notice no mention of leading lines, rules of third, exposure, metering, etc etc ;D Our previous Sifu will have a fit reading this, just ask Marcus:) Not that they are not relevant, they are. But I think it's because we have to look beyond that. As far as I can distill, most of the appreciation is about the shape, forms and lines within the frame, and their relationship with one another. Lighting plays a part by directing illumination within these relationships. And I'm not even getting into colours, which I understand very little. Example of a work by Gary Winogrand. By the way he shoots with a Leica M4 ;D "I don't have anything to say in any picture. My only interest in photography is to see what something looks like as a photograph. I have no preconceptions."(Gary Winogrand) Ivan, Interesting to understand what you have been trying to practice. That's alot that you put out there. I would never have read it the way you pointed out..can't wait to fully understand it from you when you have Master the concept I will not comment on what my personal thinking are
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Post by lowlights on Oct 27, 2008 9:30:36 GMT 8
Nice photo.. I think Luke will say it soft and the others will say that the back light is blown. The point I am trying to make is that you are right that some of us have moved on from the fundamental of the rules that the previous Sifu taught or didn't teach Some let me try this one.. the grouping of the ladies forms a triangle including their shadow the people forms the border the builds is the shadows that frames the back light Intriguing stuffs.. So for now..shapes for you and lights for me
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Post by marcus on Oct 27, 2008 10:14:05 GMT 8
Wow .. I like this picture... got soul. Talking about leading line there is leading line if you take out the all the human left the build, you will find the building on the right will a leading line. The sign broad, lamp post, stone chairs with the trees on the right form another leading line. Together the frees and the build actually form a path. You can see the path slow getting narrow to the far end right of the picture nearly within the rule of 3rd. Look at the window reflection of the build if you dun notice actually add character to the lending line. It may not be perfect without it. As you can see the street already look nice with out the people. Adding in the people, 5 people walk on the path( main sudject ) form by the building and trees..etc.. Each person tells a story looking at the watch... looking at the man in a wheel chair (within the rule of 3rd, eye contact)... not a lost soul walking towards a general direction.. humans on the right.. kido (within the rule of 3rd, eye contact) look at the man in wheel chair, people waiting for taxi add character too... Talking about the man in the wheelchair looking down.. tells a sad story too.. In film sorry arh... I am not a film shooter.. but den from what I have learn from the Kakis here.. see shadow, see shapes, see light. The over expose on the right end add character add well actually it eliminate our attention to the far end so we can focus on the main subject... a.... notice this Gary Winogrand slanted the whole image to the right a bit add a sense of drama into the whole picture. hm... i wonder... ppl on the street really don't care about the photographer like the photographer is transparent... in singapore more ppl are camera shy... the candid moment already drawn out by the photographer. Wow!! Talking about street photography again!
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Post by bigu2fan on Oct 27, 2008 12:00:08 GMT 8
I believe Sigmund Freud once said "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". Anyone familiar with his theory of pen*s envy will know what I mean The point I am trying to make is, sometimes a picture has a simple meaning, but no more. Sometimes the photos are more layered and nuanced. Without a strong understanding yet, I usually refrain from too much comment on these pictures lest I open myself to ridicule, paiseh. There are many photos like that, here's another I like from Henri Cartier Bresson. He used a Leica M3 with 5cm f3.5 most of his life. a funny one by Martin Parr. I hope I can have the eye for humour he has...
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Post by justshot on Oct 29, 2008 5:11:05 GMT 8
Hi Richard, To me, it is to have the subject metered correctly so that the attention is drawned towards it. With the bokeh, it makes the subject stands out of the picture. That I felt, is one of the benefit of the F1.0... I am drawned towards the lights, so I am not concern of the people at all. #1 I would have preferred to have the girl metered brighter if I was to draw attention to the girl. But having said that, the extention plugs will be distracting. #2 Shots inlcuding bright lights are always tricky. If we want to have the details on the lights, the rest of the picture are always under. If we are focusing on the details, then the lights are blowned. For me, I would have preferred to go in further and shoot the guy with the camera, taking pictures of the father and daughter. Would be a winning shot if the flash from the guy's camera are captured. #3 I would prefer to draw attention to the girl rather than sharing with the lantern hanging on top. #4 To me, this is like choping the head and the legs. #5 Nice. I know this is not an easy shot. But I would prefer to show part of the face and avoid having the hand stick out of nowhere. #6 Just my 1 cent worth of thoughts and preference.
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Post by lowlights on Oct 29, 2008 8:51:49 GMT 8
Thank you Jon, Not very day, I get to hear your point of view ..also very intriguing to see which angle you are seeing things. ;D
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Post by Deswitch on Oct 29, 2008 10:31:06 GMT 8
1st thing 1st. I think the posting of others work directly even if its to show an example is not right. Best way would to link to his site.
Richard, somehow I feel the contrast and colour balance are off.
1st pic looks OK.
2nd pic, I was drawn to the wallet sticking out of nowhere. Colours seeem pale.
3rd & 4th pic like most commented was on the bright spots.
the 5th pic, I seriously dunno what you are trying to tell.
last pic is the best of the lot. It speaks of culture and the isolation magnifies the importance of the theme.
but having said all this, I admit that I will not do better cos my street shooting skill is the lousiest. (not to mention I dont have f1.0 or f0.95 lenses) ;D. Critising on the armchair is too easy.
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